Gainesville City Commission moves forward with proposed Gun Violence Task Force but with “minimum impact to staff”
BY JENNIFER CABRERA
GAINESVILLE, Fla. – At the June 22 General Policy Committee meeting, the Gainesville City Commission voted to move forward with a Gun Violence Task Force but was hesitant to lead the effort because of budget and staff limitations.
The discussion followed up on a motion made by Commissioner Desmon Duncan-Walker at the February 2 City Commission meeting. The motion asked staff to draft a resolution declaring gun violence as a public health crisis in the City of Gainesville, ask the County to draft a similar resolution (the resolution has been drafted but not yet voted on), “advance and lay a foundation for convening a Gun Violence Task Force,” and ask staff for more information on ways the City can address gun violence.
Following a staff presentation about other communities that have set up Gun Violence Task Forces, Duncan-Walker said she was “very, very excited about how we are able to pull in, galvanize, create some synergy amongst institutional partners, nonprofits, individuals who all know that this has to be an all-hands-on-deck approach.” She said she also hoped the task force would provide leadership opportunities for youth and young people: “When you give them leadership opportunities is really when you see them shine.”
“May not be the most effective way to deal with gun violence”
Commissioner Ed Book said a task force “may not be the most effective way to deal with gun violence in isolation because merely standing up a task force takes time and effort and partners, where everybody’s already doing some things. Clearly, the work needs to be done, there’s no doubt about that. I’m not sure the task force would be as quick and operational as you may be considering.” Book said the upcoming Gainesville Gun Violence Summit may be a good opportunity to identify partners and learn what’s already being done.
Commissioner Cynthia Chestnut favored letting it “rise up from the ground instead of us trying to impose it from the top.” She said that City staff already have a heavy workload, and she didn’t seem to favor adding the task force to that. Instead, she thought the Children’s Trust would be the appropriate agency to lead the effort. She added, “I don’t think this is something for the Black on Black Crime Task Force because all gun violence is not black on black.” She also pointed out that only two members of the Public Safety Committee were at the meeting where the task force was discussed (Commissioner Reina Saco was absent) and said, “I’d like to see the full Public Safety Committee flesh this out.”
“The longer we wait, the more people will be injured”
Mayor Harvey Ward said, “First, I will say that it is ironic, if not entirely Kafkaesque, that we have conversations about gun violence while pretending that guns aren’t the problem. But the State of Florida, that is what it is, and we are preempted from passing any rule, ordinance, or law relating to firearms or ammunition.” Ward said he didn’t want to wait because “the longer we wait, the more people will be injured… the more families will be shattered,” but he also didn’t “want to do something just to do something; I want to make sure that what we do is exactly the right thing.”
Ward said the City had picked up things over several decades “where if something wasn’t being done, the City of Gainesville picked it up. If there was an unmet need in the community, the City of Gainesville, very honorably, raised our hands and said, ‘This is ours, we’ll pick it up, we’ll figure out how to make this happen’–to the point that we are overstressed, we do more things than most huge cities do.” He said the County, the Children’s Trust, the University of Florida, Santa Fe College, and Alachua County Public Schools all need to “stand up and say ‘We are part of this.’… Even if we end up being the direction behind it, we’ve got to hold everybody else accountable.”
Ward said he wasn’t ready to make a decision that day, “other than ‘Let’s move forward.’… And I totally own the fact that by saying we’re not going to make a decision today, more families are going to be victims of gun violence. I get that. And that is awful. But I, again, don’t want us to make the wrong decision because we feel pressure to make a decision.”
“To me, there’s really not an option to not do it”
Duncan-Walker asked the Clerk to show the February motion again (see above) “because it sounds like this is a little bit different from the direction we’re headed in today.” She said that “advance and lay a foundation” for convening a task force “aren’t the words that I remember, but that’s okay.” She added, “To me, there’s really not an option to not do it” and said she never intended for the task force to be “very top-heavy… this has always been about the people, period.”
Duncan-Walker said she is interested in how other local governments are approaching the issue: “From my understanding, we are still working on trying to get both, if not at least one Demings [former Congresswoman Val Demings and Orange County Mayor Jerry Demings] to come and speak [at the Gun Violence Summit], and it would be my hope that they could tell us how to do this [in Orange County]. Because based on what I’ve read… they’re doing it successfully.”
She said that while community organizations should “rise up and take the lead,” the City should “provid[e] some sort of impetus and push forward… I don’t think that you declare something as a crisis and just leave it there.”
“However we address things, it’s got to be prevention, education, intervention, enforcement, those are your four pillars”
Commissioner Ed Book said it was “very, very wise” of the commission to say gun violence is a public health crisis because “it opens up many more opportunities for many other organizations” to contribute. He suggested adding the Alachua County Medical Society to the list “because they have such a wide breadth of network.” Book, however, said the justice system should be “hardcore with the people who are victimizing others… However we address things, it’s got to be prevention, education, intervention, enforcement, those are your four pillars.”
Ward said he believes the Gun Violence Summit will be “a turning point for the community, it is an opportunity for the community to have tremendous input and for us to hear from policymakers in a variety of other venues.”
Saco, who was participating remotely, said she was also not ready to make a decision on a task force because “extra tasks would be a further weight on [our staff’s] already overstretched resources. That said, I do agree we need to do something.” She favored asking staff what format would work best for them and maybe looking at a model like the Central Receiving Facility, where “everybody had some tasks to take back to their respective organizations or groups.”
Saco supported including the Children’s Trust “because young people are becoming engaged in this. But a lot of our violence is not committed exclusively by young people. Violence doesn’t turn off when you go from 19 to 20. So I think it would have to be a much more broad approach and holistic approach because it’s not any one particular demographic, age, race, or otherwise, that is having these issues.”
Chestnut suggested inviting Alachua County Public Schools and other potential partners to the City’s joint meeting with the Alachua County Commission on August 28. She added, “[Moms Demand Action has] not been mentioned, but they definitely need to be at every table when we gather.” Ward said he’s also trying to get the Every Town national group involved in the Summit.
Desmon-Walker pointed out that the school district was invited to the Public Safety Committee meeting but was unable to attend; she said Superintendent Shane Andrew “has completely bought into the idea” of working with partners on addressing gun violence. She said she wanted to reconsider ending the Interrupters program, which was funded by a grant that is ending. She added that the Children’s Trust “has moved safety up in their strategic plan, on their list of priorities” and that they may bring some money that “would be very helpful.”
“[Kids] need to have the microphone”
Desmon-Walker said there will be a youth town hall on the first day of the Summit “because we do too much talking from the diocese… and we talk about the kids all the time. But they need to have the microphone, and they need to be informing and shaping policy and rules and guidelines and regulations.”
Commissioner Bryan Eastman said the issue is “overwhelming, trying to figure out how to reduce something like violence when everyone has access to a gun right on their hip whenever they’re angry, whenever there’s a fight… What can you meaningfully do?”
Duncan-Walker said she didn’t want any members of the task force to be appointed: “I don’t like that. It needs to be open. I think we can identify our institutional partners because that’s something that’s very specific. But when you start talking about individuals from the community, or even community organizations themselves, that needs to be an open and organic process; they need to be empowered to lead this in various ways.”
Ward clarified that the City has not “cut the budget for the Interrupters; that was a grant-funded program that is ending. The grant is ending. It is not something we had in our budget.”
Another look at the open container ordinance
Book said that although they can’t pass gun ordinances, they can pass “ordinances that overlap with gun violence, or violence in general, and crime. We have a nuisance prevention ordinance that needs to be built out a little more significantly than what it is right now because you cannot have a business that has violence in their operation all the time, and yet that’s not a component of the ordinance.” He also said they should look again at the open container ordinance, and Ward said some changes to that ordinance will be coming back to the commission in late July or early August; Andrew Persons, sitting in for the City Manager, said a draft ordinance will be presented to the commission on July 28.
Motion to meet with the County and ask staff to propose a format for the task force
Duncan-Walker made a motion to “agenda a conversation about partnership opportunities and a task force discussion with the County and that we direct staff to bring back a format for a task force with minimum impact to staff.”
Ward pointed out, “If we name anybody to [the task force], it is a Sunshine Board. The more we have to do with the structure of it, the more it becomes probably a Sunshine Board. The less we have to do with–if we just kind of roll it down the hill, it probably can pick up steam on its own and make its own rules, but the more we have to do with the initial structure, the less nimble it’s going to be… Not saying that one or the other is better.”
Chestnut wanted the motion to reflect that, so Duncan-Walker added “and options” to the end of the above motion: “Agenda a conversation about partnership opportunities and a task force discussion with the County and that we direct staff to bring back a format for a task force with minimum impact to staff and options.”
The vote to approve the motion was unanimous.
The discussion should include the subject of stealing as well. Making excuses for shoplifting has created “food deserts”in every city in America. Making excuses for car break-ins, stealing and selling guns, just enables more gun violence as well.
It’s real easy to stop gun violence education felons need to understand they are not allowed to have a gun it’s against the law already, get these men who knot up all these women to be apart of the children’s life, law abiding citizens who own guns don’t need more laws on the books just enforce the ones we have
How can an inanimate object have a health crisis?
Here’s another deflection from POS Harvey Ward, “First, I will say that it is ironic, if not entirely Kafkaesque, that we have conversations about gun violence while pretending that guns aren’t the problem.” Harvey read this – guns aren’t the problem, it’s the people using them who are the problem. Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t it him who pulled a firearm on someone before? Mine hasn’t injured anyone but they’re ready if need be.
I’m surprised he hasn’t blamed GRU’s current crisis on guns.
I don’t know who the bigger idiot is, him or those who voted for him.
What’s wrong with building more prisons. Lock em up and throw away the key. Simple enough. After awhile maybe the thugs will think twice about breaking the law.
I have no problem with my tax dollars funding it.
While we’re at it – reinstate the city/county roadside work crews. Maybe offer the deadbeat Grace-marketplace participants a job. If the city is getting ready to cut due to the mess they caused – free or reduced labor is what the Dr. ordered.
Not one single Gainesville politician, current or recent past has suggested enforcing existing laws and levying maximum punishment for those found guilty of committing gun law crimes. They are in love with the liberal ideas of wrist slapping. Insanity is defined as doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different result. Doesn’t happen.
It is not a gun problem. I keep hearing the the “Catch word COMMUNITY.” The community are the people who reside in this county. It’s not McDonalds, a university, college or Walmart problem. It is a community issue hence a people issue. People living in these high violent crime area need to speak up and act out when crime happens. Stop being quiet and sticking your heads in the sand. If you see a felon with a gun report it. If you witness a gun crime dont ignore law enforcement seeking information. By ignoring a gun crime because it’s a neighbor or sheer attitude of it not being my problem the next gun crime victim may be you. Guns just like cars, knives, or baseball bats don’t kill people. People kill people. It’s that simple.
We’ll know they are serious when they individually make public statements that they will not support re-election of the State Attorney if he does not start prosecuting felon-in-possession like he means it. Until then its all talk.
Well, grab the popcorn… the same brainiacs who like to defund the Police and pander to criminals are “all over” the gun violence crisis now! This should be almost amusing…
A guy was arrested in Newberry for possession of a firearm by a convicted felon. A family member had the courage to take a stand and speak up and dime him out. Sometimes “tough love” is what is needed the most. The entire community should take notice. This action probably prevented a violent crime from taking place in the near future and may have saved this criminal’s life.
The easy availability of guns means they can be had cheap and teenagers can get them, no problem. Death by guns is the leading cause of death for kids in the US and the numbers increased by 50% in recent years. Most deaths of kids by guns are homicides and of course, no other developed nation has gun ownership and deaths by guns as high as in the US, and the most permissive states for gun ownership are also the deadliest.
“A new study published in Journal of the American Medical Association’s Surgery found that firearm deaths are more likely in small rural towns than in major urban cities, adding to research that contradicts common belief that Democratic blue areas have higher incidences of gun-related deaths than do Republican red districts…
A Third Way report found that between 2000 and 2020, Trump-voting states had 12% higher murder rates than did Biden-voting cities.
Data shows that in 2020, eight of the ten states with the highest murder rates voted for the Republican presidential nominee in every election in this century.
A report published in the New England Journal of Medicine found guns became the leading cause of death for children starting in 2017—motor vehicle-related deaths held the number one spot for 60 years prior….”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ariannajohnson/2023/04/28/red-states-have-higher-gun-death-rates-than-blue-states-heres-why/?sh=55050061f812
Yes, guns are the distinguishing cause of our problem.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/29/health/us-children-gun-deaths-dg/index.html
It’s funny all of this started to happen after sentencing reform was enacted across the country.
People need to fear breaking the law again.
How about 3 strikes and you’re done for good?
You are so full of $hit along with of these studies I own over 40 guns none of my guns have killed anyone yet. How ever I do carry every day and I do understand Florida gun laws along with SYG law. It’s the people not guns who kill if you put these criminals in prison and keep them there you see a decrease in gun crime. Most democrats would love to do away with our second amendment and want to keep making new laws that only affect law abiding citizens. In force the laws we have on the books
Funny coincidence then, the correlation between the number of guns and deaths by guns. You’d almost have to think humans weren’t perfect.
Serious question, Jazzman… Were you born here in the USA? If not, how is the crime in your homeland now and what are the gun laws? Thank you.
Yes I was born here and have lived in Alachua county for 50 years, Florida for 65. How about you Peabody?
Yes, of course I was born here. I can trace my patrilineal line back to a land grant in Virginia around 1650. Around 13 generations or so.
Dude, I have relatives going back to New Amsterdam, so I think I win this one.
PS I like “Yes, of course I was born here.” Oh yeah, because ……… . Give us a clue.
Jazzman,
Your supposed facts would be more relevant if they came from sources with access to actual statistics regarding criminal use of all weapons, including guns. Toss out CNN and the medical field, which has no access to real, complete data, and you have the usual whining from the left.
Translation:
“Yayayayyayyayayayyayayay, I can’t hear you! Yayayayayayayayay.”
They’re easily available because they’re stolen and resold so much. Hello?
That’s correct, but also guns are bought in bulk in states with no control and driven to states with tough gun laws like NY and Illinois.
Deflecting again, where have we seen that before.
And what states are THAT “with no control” ? Total and complete BS ! I challenge you to go to a gun store and ask to see the forms you must fill out to buy a gun by FEDERAL LAW ! Oh and those laws along with a background check (run by the Feds) have been law for over 30 years.
It drives me crazy when people who don’t know the current laws think you can walk in and buy a fully automatic Uzi like buying a pack of gum.
“While federal law requires background checks for all gun sales by licensed gun dealers, it does not require background checks for guns sold by unlicensed sellers, like non-dealers who sell guns online or at gun shows. This loophole enables people with felony convictions, domestic abuse restraining orders, and other people with prohibiting histories to buy guns with no questions asked. ”
https://www.everytown.org/solutions/background-checks/
So it’s people committing crimes selling to criminals. Kind of contradicts your theory doesn’t it?
You’ll always be a lemming… that’s a statement, not a question.
Please explain that, including what “my theory” is. I don’t get it. By the way, selling the guns is one crime, stealing them another.
Jazzman, here is the current federal law on people selling guns from the ATF:
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/guide/atf-p-53102-do-i-need-license-buy-or-sell-firearms/download
If you are selling guns to other people by law you are supposed to either have an FFL (Federal Firearms License) OR run your sale through someone who has an FFL.
There is no “loop hole” rather you are discussing people breaking the law ie criminals.
It’s not law abiding citizens supplying your evils of society whose only existence being for the cause of killing another person.
That counters one of your other comments that, “The fact, is that still today, most people on the street, if they feel safe doing it, will help you if you need it and very few will try to screw you out of something or needlessly hurt you.”
Of curse someone breaking the law is not a law abiding citizen. Gee, you got me there.
The fact that crime exists and bad people – hell, very bad people – also exist are not new things and therefore not counter to the fact that most people you encounter will help you if you need it and their safety is not threatened by acting.
Guns aren’t discharging themselves.
Guns aren’t unlocking their safes.
Guns aren’t jumping into unlocked vehicles.
Guns aren’t out in the neighborhoods looking for people.
Maybe it’s the parents who choose not to be more involved in their child’s upbringing who are causing the death rates of children to increase.
Go hide in Ward’s closet with him, you’re probably used to it.
Guns don’t kill people, people kill people! It sure is too easy for criminals, and children, to obtain a firearm to commit a crime, or perhaps impress their friends.
I believe it is certainly true the firearms are the criminal’s weapon of choice. Kind of hard to hide an automobile in your pocket; have to get real close to your victim to injure/kill them with a knife; and the criminal’s size compared to their victim my make it unwise to try to use brass knuckles on them.
Your input is based on liberal/center left collected data and opinions.
How about this
From Fox News: “A 2019 survey conducted by the Department of Justice (DOJ) found that some 43 percent of criminals had bought their firearms on the black market, 6 percent acquired them via theft, and 10 percent made a retail purchase – 0.8 percent purchased a weapon from a gun show. In 11 percent of cases, the criminal had someone else buy a gun for them – known as a straw purchase – while an additional 15 percent got guns from a friend or relative. Some 12 percent of weapons found on a crime scene had been brought there by someone else.”
I’m sure you will scoff at anything published by Fox News, so let’s look at how criminals obtain firearms a little more, from the Federal Government themselves.
Here is a link to an ATF Q&Q which informs us of the methods criminals use to obtain firearms: https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/infographics/how-guns-flow-legal-illegal-commerce
In short, the article states:
“Guns enter illegal commerce through one of three ways.
By private transactions in which guns bought and later sold at gun shows, flea markets, or through private sales to prohibited persons.
By straw purchasers who are individuals who buy guns from dealers and transfer them to the prohibited persons.
By theft where firearms are stolen from gun dealers and private citizens.”
Your Journal of the American Medical Association’s Surgery source is one of those center-left organizations that will print whatever makes the current regime in DC look good. The Chicago Sun-Times describes them, “American Medical Association, the Chicago-headquartered organization that’s the nation’s largest physicians lobby group.”
You mention a report by Third Way. From their own webpage, “Third Way is a national think tank that champions modern center-left ideas.”
Not surprisingly, you based your comments on primarily one article, the one from Forbes with your provided link above. Don’t expect anyone to be influenced by your input when it does not provide nonpartisan facts.
I think we all want to stop gun violence, but passing the buck to someone else isn’t going to accomplish anything. We as a country need to make it very unattractive for those who would resort to gun violence.
We need a modern day Harry Truman who will take the blame for the situation and direct the Department of Justice to assist local police in apprehending criminals.
We need Attorney Generals at all levels to prosecute and convict criminals.
We need judges at all levels who put criminals behind bars for a sentence justified by their crime.
We need parents who will take responsibility for their children and take corrective action at home.
Communities, churches, youth groups, need to provide assistance in cleaning up neighborhoods. Take back our neighborhoods!
I don’t get your point. I agree with the Fox article, though i can’t vouch for the exact numbers. Yes, criminals steal guns, resell them, buy them illegally, all of the above. The fact that they are plentiful – they start out being purchased by lawful purchasers in almost all cases – means they are easier to get and cheaper than if they were better regulated and or less plentiful. You’ve heard of supply and demand no doubt. Well, as it turns out now, teenagers can afford then damn things. Do the math.
Of course you don’t get my point, you like the rest of your ilk never acknowledge a solution that requires courage and honesty to take actions that benefit the majority!
You and your City Council dimwits are in the same state of denial as to the root causes of gun violence, as your comrade leader in DC!
You are a prototypical Democratic politician, nothing else! Deflect, misdirect, deny, blame others, for all problems! Keep your base constituents in line through threats of losing their freebees and law enforcement and judicial agencies turning a blind eye to their criminal activity! Gotta give the big guy his 5%!
I accept your surrender on the facts of the argument by resorting to nothing but insults., and my bad for taking you as someone who deserved a serious response.
But hey, try again if you figure out your point.
Ha, ha, ha! You can deny you don’t understand (hell, Brandon does the same thing but he is usually missing his daily dose of Milk of Amnesia!”
No insults, just facts of how the Democratic Party operates in order to maintain control of their constituents! Deflect, misdirect, deny, blame others, for all problems!
Government for the People, the majority of the People! Uphold our current laws and actually put criminals behind bars and keep them there!
Violence doesn’t turn off when you go from 19 to 20. So I think it would have to be a much more broad approach and holistic approach because it’s not any one particular demographic, age, race, or otherwise, that is having these issues.”
These people are so dishonest
As usual, the virtue signalling city politicians have yet to say one single word about enforcing existing laws and punishing those convicted with sentences commensurate with their crimes, instead of the liberal wrist slapping. I wonder when they will discover no consequences for criminal actions only encourage more criminal acts.
Chestnut needs to wake up and quit living off tax payer subsidies.
The problem in man cases is young Black men.
Let’s start with the projects clean them up. If you don’t live there your out of there. There are people living there intimidated by thugs. Provide security in these areas. Mire lights, if a bunch of young healthy men are hanging out on the corner, I bet they’re not discussing the Bible. Have money making churches walk these areas and speak with them.
And clean up these places they are a disgrace. There are plenty of jobs in gainesville if you want to work. Stop cuddling young men, they need hard guidance.
Have A Nice Day!!!
Open up police substations in the middle of these complexes….
Again, this is NOT “gun” violence!
do your job and keep the Murderer out of the street there should be no excuse. keep the murderer out of the street save people’s lives have healthy community people are afraid to come out because the Murderer, criminal, or felon is left in the street, this is showing that it’s OK and they can go and do the crime is no other message! police officers need to be trained fully to do their job right and put the criminal behind bars and save lives. how many families should go through tragedies that can be prevented by police officers and dispatch doing their job right?
Gun violence is a public health problem. Yea, lead poison will kill you.
If it weren’t so dang pathetic & sad it would behilarious the suggestions and ideas the commission comes up with.
You can bet it will cost the taxpayers a ton and nothing will be accomplished. Soft prosecutors, certain city employees who shove these kids into Reichert House thinking that will solve the problem.
Wake up pilgrims, there is a gang shooting coming to a neighborhood near you!
How about we try this citycomm; there have already been many initiatives in Gainesville from nonprofits, GPD, and Meridien and you have not reviewed one single source for documentation and shared or discussed same with the public. You just keep pushing for more instead of actually reviewing what is already available (supposedly) from those programs. My guess is that the data doesn’t exist or the initiative has produced contrary results. It’s “talk talk, talk talk, all you do is talk talk”.
What typical regressive posturing. Let’s spend taxpayer money for some feel-good program to signal to our mouth-breathing constituents taht we’re doing something about gun violence. This will have no effect on gun violence. You know what will? Prosecute the criminals who use guns and remove them from society. To be clear, I mean I want more “mass incarceration” for anyone who harms other people.
So, guns are the problem Harvey? Are they the problem in the same way cars are a problem? Cars have killed more people than guns almost every single year for DECADES! And it’s otherwise law-abiding citizens who are doing the killing. Where is your moral outrage about those instruments of death? You’ve never proposed getting rid of cars. Why not if it’s truly life that you care about? And spare me a few speed bumps on University.
Oh, and by the way, we have gun control laws which target a large percentage of the very people who possess and use guns. It is illegal for felons to possess guns. And yet, we read on the AC every single day about a convicted felon possessing or using a gun. Gun control laws don’t work because criminals don’t obey the law!
All talk and NO substance. Giving convicted felons ‘light’ sentences sends the wrong message.
Democrats are using the new tactic of declaring guns a “public health crisis” so that they can use and abuse existing laws regarding public health emergencies to try and push through policies that violate our Constitutional rights.
Remember the abuses during the Covid-19 “pandemic”? Destroying people’s livelihoods, restricting travel and freedom of association, even putting people in jail. All were done in the name of public health. You know they will try to do the same thing with gun control.
More people die from car accidents than firearms, so why not declare cars a public health crisis? The intent is laughably transparent and these people must be resisted.
Dude, none of us can exist in modern America without car and they benefit us every day in untold ways. Yeah, the risk/benefit ratio works for almost all of us. Guns, not so much. Get it?
With all the democrats left wing ideology about soft on crime you better own a gun to protect yourself and your family
I live in the woods and have for 50 years, so yes I have a gun – pump shotgun. I’ve used it on varmints a few times and of course consider it home self defense though I’ve fortunately never had to use it for that.
You may want to tell that to both commissions, they’ve been working years to force everyone into riding a bike or public transportation.
Did you forget that?
So, in other words, you’re perfectly willing to accept the loss of life which results from car deaths (not to mention all the injuries) every year so that you won’t be inconvenienced! I love it! At last, a regressive who is at least honest. They don’t give a crap about lives, it’s the guns they hate.
But we could do without guns, right? Is that where you’re going? Ok, we can do without TV too and all the violence encouraged there; we can do without violent music; and we could certainly do without left-wing propaganda media which profits from dividing our nation. The trouble is we have these things called constitutional amendments. And they’re not dependent upon whether we can do without the rights enumerated therein. Get it?
Someone else brought up the gun/car comparison Sick, not me. And yes, we all obviously accept the risk of an accident for the benefits of owning and operating a car in America, and the fact that thousands die on the roads. Surely you won’t argue that fact. Except for the gun queers who pet theirs regularly, most of us do not interact with or use a gun very much if ever in our lives, though we might own one. The individual risk is low, but so is the benefit, while the risk to society – gun deaths are the leading cause of childhood deaths – is great and the cumulative benefit non-existent. Intercepting criminals by gun toting citizens is highly rare while accidents, suicides, and murder less so.
Ok, first of all, gun deaths became the leading cause of childhood deaths in the last couple of years. What you are failing to note is that early research indicates that those suicides are probably more significantly correlated to covid school shutdowns. Second of all, those committed to killing themselves are going to do it regardless of the existence of guns. The fact that they choose the expedient method is NOT an indictment against guns.
Of course I accept the risk of cars, guns, planes, etc. None of them are statistically dangerous to us.
Are you seriously saying the risk/benefit does not work for guns? That’s hilarious! There are about 434M guns privately owned in America. In a bad year, there are less than 50,000 gun deaths in the US. Over half of those are suicides and in no way should count as gun violence. Deaths per gun (including suicides) are about one hundredth of one percent.
About 278M cars and about 36K deaths per year. You guessed it- that’s about one hundredth of one percent. At least as safe as cars! And safer than viruses!
You are leaving out usage Sick. How many times a day and for how long does the average American ride in a car? How often and for how long do they interact with a gun? Which one is necessary for them to maintain a job, purchase goods and services, and visit friends and relatives?
I’m leaving out usage because if I included it we would see that there are orders of magnitude more injuries from cars. What you are leaving out is the fact that there is a fundamental right to own a firearm. But bottom line is this- there are proportionally very few deaths caused by either. They are each perfectly safe until a person misuses them.
Guns are a problem? Really? It’s not the fact that America has become a degenerate society where every sort of freak, misfit, moron and psycho gets a free ride? It’s all getting ready to crash and burn in the USA and getting rid of guns will not stop the process of cultural rot and collapse.
Things are not perfect in America – never have been and never will be, but compared to the days of public lynchings or even a segregated society – yeah, right here in Gainesville blacks couldn’t eat in the restaurants or stay in hotels, maybe we’ve gotten better. I remember those days and while I’m old, I’m not that old. The fact, is that still today, most people on the street, if they feel safe doing it, will help you if you need it and very few will try to screw you out of something or needlessly hurt you. Humans succeed because we cooperate and it’s in our nature.
Jazz
Dam I never thought i would never say this to you but you have made a comment I agree with😂
Hi Five Good Buddy!
The City Commission is a crisis to the City of Gainesville. I think we should have an initiative to remove all of the S0¢i@lists from local authority. Time to put down their progressive ideologies and vote for people who will represent all residents, not the one who they wish to keep enslaved.
It’s a cultural problem not an implement problem, but our “leaders” can’t bring themselves to address the cultural problem, which would require them to address some woke-taboo issues. So they focus on the implements, and assure themselves that they are acting courageously, when in fact they are cowards.
Make the punishment tougher. Simple.
Well, with the Guvnah’s new gun law coming on July 1, I’m gonna just sit back and watch. I think the thing at the Hilton is just convenient too. One month after the new carry law goes into effect. That’s funny to me. 🤣
The gun crime rate in Alachua county is more than a “Health Crisis”.
See, it’s taken me some years of observation, but lemme tell ya. After the George Floyd incident, and other “officer related” incidents with similar outcomes, there has become a certain age group, that are predominately minorities, with an attitude of “entitlement”. It’s not a lack of education neither. We live in a town where education is simply everywhere. Education, or lack thereof is NOT the problem. It’s an attitude of “Rebellion, and Entitlement”. That attitude is “taught”. Look at one of those county crime maps online. The little pins are, most of the time, clustered in certain parts of the county, and certain neighborhoods within the Gainesville city limits.
Unfortunately there is next to nothing ASO, or GPD can do to thwart “Gun Violence”.
I will type that again. There is nothing any ASO, or GPD officer can do to “Thwart” Gun Violence in Alachua County.
It doesn’t take a genius with an IQ of 160 to figure this out. The “rebellious entitlement” beliefs that the minorities in our city have toward the cops and other civilians are in fact “Bullet Proof”.
We can obviously come up with a way for officers to protect themselves so they can go back home to their families after thier work shift. But officers don’t really “protect the innocent” or “uphold the law” anymore. They can’t, not given the new “Rebellious and Entitlement” idea. On my scanner, its always after the gunshots, dispatch sends in officers. Never before, and officers have to clear the situation before ems can haul’m off.
The damage is done. No “Gun Violence Task Force” is gonna fix it, or change it.
All I can do, is protect my self and my family, listen to my scanner, and watch the county morgue.
Wow! Just noticed that the S$$t for Brains Mayor is giving the finger to either DW, or the public in general! You can’t mistake it, clearly seen is his left ring finger, and then the old FU finger! Nice touch Mayor!
You just know he is wondering when he can get to bed and forget about the rabble gathered for the meeting!
Guns are the problem, eh? Never in the history of mankind have inanimate objects been ‘the problem’. While the commission is grand-standing and virtue signaling, ask yourselves a couple questions…Firstly, are the local judges sentencing criminals to the fullest extent of the law? Secondly, are the extremely overwhelming majority of the local shootings occurring WEST of 13th St or EAST of 13th St. Once you answer these questions, you will have your answer to the TRUE problem.