Gainesville City Commission passes “unpalatable” ordinance prohibiting public camping on first reading
BY JENNIFER CABRERA
GAINESVILLE, Fla. – At today’s Gainesville City Commission meeting, an “unpalatable” ordinance prohibiting public camping passed on first reading with some modifications.
Ordinance is required under new state statute
The ordinance is required by Florida Statute 125.0231, which provides that Florida counties and municipalities may not authorize or otherwise allow any person to regularly engage in public camping or sleeping on any public property.
The ordinance modifies Article V of the City Charter (Public Rights-of-Way and Obstructions), which currently makes it illegal for any person to obstruct any right-of-way, including temporarily obstructing vehicular or pedestrian traffic; the changes add “public property” to “right-of-way” in that section of the Charter. The ordinance also adds “public camping or sleeping on any public property or right-of-way” as an illegal activity. The penalty would be a fine of $125.
Property owners can file civil lawsuits starting on January 1 if they notify a local government in writing that someone is sleeping on public property and the local government does not address the issue within five days.
Phil Mann: “We don’t necessarily want to criminalize homelessness”
Special Advisor to the City Manager Phil Mann said, “One of the things that staff has worked on – and in addressing this, we said all along, we don’t necessarily want to criminalize homelessness, but with the implementation of House Bill 1365 and the requirements that go into place on January 1, we needed to be able to give the police department and the code enforcement department the tools they need – that if somebody absolutely refuses to move when we ask them, then we have those tools for our law enforcement… The big thing is, we’re going to try to get them to move on… Barring that, this will be our last resort because effective January 1, if we’re not addressing this, other folks have the ability to file suit against us.”
Ward: “If we don’t take action, people can take action against us”
Mayor Harvey Ward emphasized that part: “If we don’t take action, people can take action against us… As unpalatable as it may be, we can’t enforce a law that we must enforce without taking actions like this.”
Mann said the myGNV app will have a place to report encampments, so the City will be able to document reports of encampments and also document that “we did, in fact, interact with that camp and ask those people to move on and got compliance.”
Commissioner Bryan Eastman agreed, “As unpalatable as it is,.. it seems like… we just copied the [statute] language, word for word, into each one.” He asked why a violation was classified as an offense with a $125 penalty.
City Attorney Nee: “The goal isn’t to charge a fine. The goal is to move people along.”
City Attorney Daniel Nee said the enforcement mechanism is “consistent with other ordinance violations that we have… Here the issue is, the legislature has told us that a municipality may not authorize or allow public camping or overnight sleeping on public properties, and… our traditional enforcement mechanisms are civil citations… The goal isn’t to charge a fine. The goal is to move people along… And ultimately,… [we have the] ability to enforce a municipal ordinance violation, ultimately, by arrest, if necessary… If they move, you don’t have to penalize them at all.” Nee clarified that the $125 is a “fine on conviction” and that ultimately the court decides on the appropriate penalty if someone is arrested and convicted.
Nee also explained that if someone is camping or sleeping on public property, “it’s not likely that that’s a civil citation context, because if they’re willing to move, they’ve corrected the problem [and] won’t be issued a citation… If they’re not willing to move, that’s when a civil citation won’t do the trick,” and the person will need to be removed.
Nee said the $125 fine would be more in the context of a retailer blocking the sidewalk with merchandise and refusing to remove it within a reasonable time upon request. If it happens again, it can be elevated to a higher fine. He continued, “Our goal of implementing this isn’t in any way to criminalize or sanction homelessness; it’s the behavior of improperly being on public property or impeding travel in public right-of-ways. It’s the action, not the character or status of the person.”
Eastman said the $125 fine “is not a whole lot for, like, a bar or someone who’s blocking the right-of-way in large areas,” but he would prefer something like $25 or $50.
Saco: “We don’t really have a choice”
Commissioner Reina Saco said, “I think the general overarching point that I feel needs to be made about this is – we don’t really have a choice… And that’s kind of Tallahassee… making laws on behalf of the local municipality, and then you have to execute it.”
Mann emphasized, “Our overall goal here is to get people to move. It’s not to issue them a $125 fine, or whatever number this Commission settles on, or cart them off to jail. It’s to get them to a place where they get the services they need.”
Saco continued, “I wanted that to be on the record, that it is not out of any personal dislike or feelings up here; it is a requirement put upon us by Tallahassee.” She said she didn’t think the amount of the fine mattered because “if you’re sleeping on a sidewalk, you do not have $5 or $125 or $500. That is a moot point.” She pointed out that they didn’t have time to send it back to the City Attorney’s office for major changes because this is their second-to-last meeting of the year, and the ordinance needs to be in effect by January 1.
Outreach teams and Block-by-Block Ambassadors expected to be “first line of defense”
Mann repeated, “Our first goal is not to send the police department or code enforcement out there. Our first goal is to have [the Community Resource Paramedicine team], the GRACE outreach team, the new Block-by-Block Ambassadors – that is our plan to be our first line of defense.”
Ward responded, “And the counter to that… is that while that may be our first intent in this room now, it may not be the first intent… in future years… Regardless, I agree with Commissioner Saco; we are where we are. We don’t have a lot of choice.”
Definition change could require prohibition against people sitting or standing on medians
Commissioner Casey Willits asked about the definition of “Obstruct,” which changed from impeding the movement of vehicular or pedestrian traffic to impeding “with areas dedicated to or used for the” movement of vehicular or pedestrian traffic; he asked how that will affect medians.
Nee said he thought it was maybe “an effort to be inclusive and not to give gray areas where we are accused of allowing people to be in areas or to stay in areas where the statute says we’re not allowed to.”
Willits followed up, “Is a median dedicated to the movement of the vehicular or pedestrian traffic?”
Nee said a median “could be included in that area,” but it would require a warning and reasonable time to move.
Willits said he wanted to make sure that “the legislative intent here is to not ban – quote, unquote – you know, panhandling in a median that currently is over six feet, as per current ordinance.”
Nee said, “It wouldn’t be whether someone is panhandling or holding a sign… It’s the being there… It’s the time, place, and manner of there being an obstruction in an area dedicated for the movement of vehicles, pedestrians, and so forth… People standing in the area of a median does obstruct the intended use of the right-of-way… It’s not intended for people to be sitting there all day long for whatever purpose.”
Willits asked whether the ordinance would ban sitting or standing on a median, and Nee said he thought it could be enforced that way.
Willits: “I don’t think [medians are] what most people thought we would be voting on today”
Willits said, “I don’t think that’s what most people thought we would be voting on today,” and Nee said the urgent part for the Commission was the public camping piece. Willits said, “I will be a no vote unless we somehow change or strike that.”
After public comment, Eastman said, “I feel uncomfortable criminalizing homelessness more than we’ve criminalized smoking. I mean, the smoking penalty is $25 – I think that would make sense for us.”
Motion and vote
Eastman made a motion to approve the ordinance with a penalty of no more than $25 for public camping and sleeping violations and to remove the additions to the definition of “obstruct” that could include medians. There were multiple seconds.
The ordinance passed 6-0 on first reading, with Commissioner Desmon Duncan-Walker absent.
It shouldn’t be difficult – the Mayor and City Commission already “move along” people who want to take up residence at City Hall. Except for those who want to protest Israel’s fight against terrorism, then they allow them to spend as much time as they want.
Need a place to start? Do something with the people around the downtown Tax Collector’s Office. There’s my notice – it’s publicly owned, wonder if I can have people fined or arrested for not complying with the new law?
A no panhandling allowed law would stop that problem. Then comes a no loitering law.
As for no camping, first you have to write a letter. Then it will take several days to reach ‘someone’ in the city. More days and thr right person received it. They are busy and it is ignored for more days. When it gets to the patrol division, they have five more days to tell someone to “move along.” So the city will take a month or so to move someone to the next block and then the same process happens again. Sad but usual for these welcoming idiots that keep getting elected.
Gainesville Municipal Code of Ordinances Section 19-18. The City Commission just chooses to ignore it.
There are already city panhandling laws! GCC doesn’t allow them to be enforced. They prefer to whine about things instead of using the tools they already have to solve the problems.
https://library.municode.com/fl/gainesville/codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=PTIICOOR_CH19PESOCA_ARTIIIBEPASO_S19-80BEPASOPUPRSISTCEDEPLPR
Reading minutes of the GNV CC is like listening to an episode of The Simpsons, but without the really funny parts. Gainesvilleans: get ready for an irruption of tents on medians! With enough Meth or Tranq, traffic won’t interfere with occupants’ beauty sleep.
Street medians are PUBLIC space, too. Why not use the Jail’s outside fenced yard space instead?
Move them along to where? A solution of where to move people is needed. Is Grace the only available place to go? Serious question.
Poe and Ward invited them, move them to their front porches.
Out of G’ville.
Tony:you get bingo! …”out of GNV”!
the simplest & best solution ‼️
but why dont they discuss this at the dais? Why is it not part of the solution ?
It’s the city managers job to run a safe & clean city…it’s poor city management.
Take the $$ given to Grace and buy bulk tickets at a discount from Greyhound.
They can go wherever they want to go.
As an added bonus, they can ride the empty RTS bus with their free pass to the Greyhound station!
That’s a method being implemented in several cities and it’s a good plan.
That’s probably how many of them got here in the first place. They got sent to the bleeding-heart idiots (us).
The fenced outside yard space of the Jail is perfect. Since 99% of campers are rejects from GRACE and SFH. Because they’re wanted in court or probation.
Ward is unpalatable as Mayor. Toughen up, princess. Maybe get the County to let all of them stay at the former West End Golf Course. That would be perfect.
🐽😷…enough said…
I shouldn’t see one vagrant or panhandler ever as long as we are funding Grace mKT.
Vagrants, squatters, & panhandlers should be arrested if they don’t move immediately…
They should also be fined for leaving their trash behind…
The city needs to put trash cans at every bus-stop so we can keep GNV
Clean of trash and litter.
Panhandling is not a legitimate profession and it’s a public safety hazzard when they are in the middle of traffic.
If a LEO drives by and doesn’t stop and do their job telling the bum to get out of the median, they should be fined the $125…
Thank our legislators for doing what our locals will NOT do!
Tony: it’s seems they are trying to circumnavigate the law.
The city can make the statute tougher, not more lenient.
Where’s the city attorney on this?
He needs to be replaced.
Anyone else trying to go around the law to not comply gets RICO act.
These local commi fascists act like Desantis & the State are enemies…
The city better comply when ICE
Comes for the illegals a la orange man…no sanctuary city here!
Operation warp speed
Let’s start a Go-Fund-Me to buy one-way bus tickets to Atlanta and DC.
Mo: they can use up the rest of the Covid ARPA funds if there’s any left cause sicko Sako is still wearing her face diaper keeping the “big lie” going…
Hey CC, why don’t you put this on referendum to defy the State law? Just to continue the pattern….
Their supporters at law firms and Duckpond elites destroyed downtown, the golden goose. Restaurants are closing.
ACLUSPLCDNC 👹👺👿💩🤡
I am fully opposed to public camping and panhandling at road medians, so I’m glad this law was passed, but I’m pretty sure it requires – as the courts have – that governments enforcing it must provide alternatives. If those alternatives are refused, then fines and arrests can and should follow.
Citizens pay for and own public spaces and camping limits the public’s use for their intended purpose. As a builder, the spatial misuse and social dysfunction this creates has always bothered me – parks are for fun and positive social interactions for all ages, not field camps for the dispossessed.
I believe we also have morally and legally have no choice but to provide “field camps”, or other facilities for the dispossessed who previously, before court rulings in the 1980s would have many committed – against their will or not – to mental institutions. They will always be part of every society, and legally and humanely, we have to deal with that reality. Those suggesting we send them down the road and out of town are living a fantasy life based on the lie that this is not a national problem. It is, and a look at neighboring counties of similar wealth and population shows they have the same problem.
As to Saco’s complaint that this state law violates local governmental autonomy, the state has that right as long as uniformly applied – the partisan targeting the state is pulling with us on single member districts and GRU, which applies to no other counties or utilities, are obviously not uniformly applied – though we may or may not agree with the specifics (the state has also restricted the ability of local governments to enforce developmental and environmental rules). Homelessness is a statewide – and nationwide – problem and so Tallahassee regulations are not out of order.
Does anyone have statistics on homelessness rates per capita compared to other cities? My perception is that it’s worse here than other places, and if so, we might benefit from investigating the root causes of that.
You should be able to Google and find that. I have in the past.
Remember, sending people to jail is not free, probably more expensive than Grace, and may be exactly what some are looking for.
There are no reliable numbers. Someone tries to do a “head count” by going around the city on a certain day every year, usually in February when it ‘s cold here and many have gone temporarily to South Florida. Considering many of them here sleep all day and do drugs or drink all night, not to mention many are outlaws (zero-barriers GRACE is cool with that), they may not get interviewed and counted. The public might have a reason to get concerned if they heard the real number, so they make sure to hire the right consultant to do the count. It’s about as reliable as a used car salesman in Pennsylvania.
Any proof of that allegation that doesn’t entail us pulling things from your butt?
It’s likely worse for a clusterfreak of obvious reasons.
“Outreach teams and Block-by-Block Ambassadors expected to be “first line of defense”
Oh….now there’s a brilliant plan? Courtesy of the logic-less loony leftists. Changing the vernacular to avoid the truth. The homeless criminals (bums, drug addicts, and mental health patients) are encouraged to come and stay all the while destroying businesses in the process.
The problem is there is no enforcement. Just look at the medians, especially closer to Grace. Also, there are no alternatives, other than Grace which is not the end all, be all.