“The community isn’t being heard; the landed gentry is being heard”: Gainesville City Commission moves forward with Eastman’s proposed zoning changes

Gainesville City Commissioner Bryan Eastman presents his proposed zoning changes

BY JENNIFER CABRERA

GAINESVILLE, Fla. – At the August 10 General Policy Committee meeting, the Gainesville City Commission considered a proposal from Commissioner Bryan Eastman that would reduce lot setbacks and allow cottage neighborhoods.

Eastman’s proposal would retain single-family zoning but allow more flexibility to build
starter homes by creating one single-family zoning category titled “Residential Single Family.”
The new “Residential Single Family” zoning will give landowners the ability to build homes on
smaller lots of .08 acres; Eastman said the proposal would make it easier to build affordable homes.

Eastman also proposed simplifying the platting process for getting new subdivisions approved, allowing cottage neighborhoods, and reducing water/wastewater connection fees.

GRU General Manager Tony Cunningham said GRU already charges 35% lower connection fees for homes under 1,400 square feet and said they could look at whether an 800-square-foot accessory dwelling unit (ADU) might be a candidate for an additional discount. 

Commissioner Cynthia Chestnut was concerned about the zoning change being made city-wide, but Eastman said he was focused on RSF-4 zoning, which is “about 1% of even the single-family zone, so it’s a very, very small zoning.” He said he was trying to “protect single-family zoning while still giving people the flexibility to decide what happens on their own property and… ensure that homeowners have the feeling that there’s not going to be a duplex or an apartment or whatever they fear will be in their neighborhood.”

Mayor Harvey Ward suggested having two community meetings to discuss the proposal. Andrew Persons, Special Assistant to the City Manager, said staff consistently hears from the public that “they don’t want to talk to us, they want to talk to [commissioners].” He said the meetings would be more successful if commissioners attended instead of having the public give feedback to staff. However, he said this is a pretty simple proposal, and Eastman said he would be happy to work with staff to put a presentation together. 

Commissioner Reina Saco said, “I, of course, wholeheartedly support this tiny teaspoon of a step forward of progress. But I appreciate you continuing to fight the good fight and trying to do what’s best for our community.” She said she had been to community meetings on zoning topics, and they are often “derailed” by people who ask questions that are “not necessarily for the topic at hand.” She said she was fine with a commissioner hosting informational sessions, but she didn’t want staff to have to do that. 

“The community isn’t being heard; the landed gentry is being heard”

Saco continued, “Having come to the commission as, first and foremost, a housing attorney, I was in community meetings about housing since 2017, like almost weekly across Florida, and definitely in Gainesville. The people we desperately need at the table will not be able to come to the table. So when I hear, you know, ‘The community has to be heard,’ the community isn’t being heard; the landed gentry is being heard–those who have the free time and the opportunity to show up will show up. The single mom with two kids who can’t get childcare is not going to show up. The elderly grandma who can’t find adequate transportation or has to be at home, can’t be at a meeting for three-four hours, isn’t gonna show up. Renters who are covering two jobs to make ends meet as rent doubles and triples aren’t gonna be able to show up. You’re gonna have homeowners who are financially more stable, and you’re gonna have homeowners who oppose–often just for lack of understanding what’s happening, but just kind of balk at the thought of any change–show up. And maybe they’ll change their minds at the end of the meeting. But those are the folks who will show up.”

Saco said it’s the commissioners’ job “to make those decisions with our best judgment possible… Not everything can or has to be a community presentation or meeting. It just can’t be; it’s not practical.”

Saco added that she has been “informed by at least a handful of people who lived in different neighborhoods” that renters are often excluded from neighborhood associations, and “it’s a lot harder to fight or even put forward an opinion when you know you’re gonna stand alone because you’ve been excluded.” She said she’s not opposed to Eastman holding meetings, but “I don’t want us taking the totality of any one meeting as the totality of our constituents’ feelings on a matter.”

Saco said she supported Eastman’s proposal because “in my neighborhood, I see a property that’s about 100 feet across. And it kills me because it has exactly one small 900-square-foot house in the middle, which is the worst use of space. And every time I drive by it, it drives me insane…  Every day we delay is another day, another month that someone has to pay exorbitant rent and is closer to homelessness… It’s easy for us to say we should have more conversation; a lot of folks don’t have that luxury.”

“There are a lot of people who think they’re the have-nots. But if you own a home, you’re definitely the haves”

Commissioner Casey Willits said he supported streamlining the platting process. He agreed with Saco that renters are often excluded from neighborhood associations: “Too often when we talk about community engagement, we’re engaging just the landed gentry–just the haves, not the have-nots. And there are a lot of people who think they’re the have-nots. But if you own a home, you’re definitely the haves, you’re much more so than those who don’t… As Commissioner Saco said, all the delay, it delays someone getting the home they need, it leaves them paying higher rent, fighting people for the same house for sale, and just jacking up the prices as people fight for housing. It really is like musical chairs, and there’s not enough chairs, and people are fighting for the chairs that are existing.”

Ward said he would prefer two commission workshops on different sides of town. Commissioner Ed Book said he would prefer moving the location of an existing meeting out into the community instead of adding more meetings “on top of an existing meeting structure that’s very heavy at the moment.”

“I put this forward as a good compromise middle ground”

Eastman said he didn’t think all the commissioners needed to be at every community engagement meeting. He added, “I think this is a great proposal. I think it balances out the needs of neighbors who are worried about multifamily near their house with the fact that we do need more homes for people to live in. There’s a massive undersupply of homes, and it is very, very difficult for people to find a place to live. And we’re using far too much space in order to do that, which is creating sprawl and hurting our environment and increasing homelessness, as Commissioner Saco said, and… I put this forward as a good compromise middle ground.”

Eastman made a motion to direct staff to hold two neighborhood workshops to discuss lot dimension changes and minor subdivision standards, to bring back recommended changes to the platting process, and for GRU to review water/wastewater connection fees for reduction for small single-family homes and accessory dwelling units.” Chestnut and Saco seconded the motion.

The motion passed unanimously.

Utility Advisory Board

During a discussion about the status of the Utility Advisory Board, Ward said he thought they should “give direction after October 1.” Eastman agreed, “Quite frankly, we don’t know whether or not this is even going to stand. I mean, we do have an active lawsuit at the moment… I want to prepare as well as we possibly can, in case… it does stand. But the UAB, I think, is something that we can figure out after that point.” 

  • Well , it’s more than obviously stated by the Commissioners they fear and won’t allow a wide open meeting for discussions with citizens . Imagine that . They would prefer to hide behind and overpaid underqualified non – elected staff , They have been doing that for years. They have proven they cannot be trusted and are clueless in the virtual state of denial. They have been fired and the last thing they need is a proven failed Utility Board to continue operating in denial as well. Arent they fired too?Their virus has spread to the county. Did you hear Chucknut wants us to hire and pay and aide to handle his meetings so he can work elsewhere. I say fire him and any other commissioner trying to get out of their sworn duties , then hire the aides at half price. It looks like this conundrum of woke elected losers , including the confused School Board ,just come up with agendas and ideas to keep themselves and all the citizens deflected from reality , while accomplishing nothing, fighting State Laws, and wasting our money. That’s why Eastman and his phsydkick do not want to meet with anyone.

    • I’m not sure how proposing 2 community meetings for open discussion of zoning proposals is an attempt at dodging public comment and input. I think you’re confusing this with the state legislature’s “hearings” on the GRU theft, when public comment was held to less than a minute..

      Any local governments in Florida not fighting state laws is not doing their job. The legislature and governor over the last 4 years has been busily stripping local government prerogatives while granting themselves more power to rule from Tallahassee, including purposefully making local governments more vulnerable to law suits while protecting itself from the same. If you like this crap, you’re for big government and quit pretending otherwise.

      • Could be the Captain has recollection of King Poe’s silencing and removal of persons who expressed their objections during his tyrannical rule. Fortunately he didn’t have the authority to lock them in the dungeons or order their beheading.

    • Not only do I agree, it would be my preference that the commissioners (county & city) not be paid at all. That is the only way we will get people who wish to serve and do it for the money (as a job). I know at least one former mayor who quit his job at UF library when he was elected.

    • These rank amateur nuts know not what they do, but may be a tad less stupid than Poe and his 3 ignorant lackeys. Forcing neighborhoods with 2,500 sf homes to have 800 sf affordable homes will just drive folks outside city limits. Bad idea.

  • If you are trying to build new subdivisions of 75’x75’ lots with 800 square ft. homes that is understandable, but if you are trying to put 800 square ft. homes next to 2500 square ft. homes you’re just messing with the reason someone bought in a restricted neighborhood. Only 33% of Gainesville’s residents have lived here more than 5 years. Everyone thinks of students but it also a lot of people in the University system, medical and engineering community that come here in junior positions and lateral out to other states and cities. What you will create is second generation rental houses. Look at the houses around Office Depot in the NW 10th Avenue between NW 13th Street and NW 6th Street. I lived in a subdivision in Haile Plantation consisting of 85 homes that were between 1000 square ft. to 1340 square ft. Many of the owners were medical residents, junior professors and others just passing thru Gainesville. As they moved on they chose to rent their homes.
    On your watch the area around the University of Florida was gutted of the small houses on small lots and was replaced with high rise apartments predominately for student rental not for affordable housing.

  • Everything they do, they F things up…there’s no parking and vagrants on the corner and Grace Mkt bringing more bums. There’s a bum at the bottom of the bridge on NW 8th Ave &

  • Dividing citizens into “haves’ and “have nots”, while defining the grandma living in Porter’s Quarters as “landed gentry” is both needless stereotyping and stratification – intended to devalue the input of a large part of the population – while also destroying a small part of the English language.

    • Maybe Saco read a romance novel and became enamored with the terminology. Wordsmithing isn’t her forte.

    • I love every part of this comment, particularly “…while also destroying a small part of the English language.” :):) Well stated.

  • “ The community isn’t being heard; the landed gentry is being heard”
    I guess I’m one of the “Landed Gentry” Although I fine the term classes and derogatory. I am a semi-retired senior citizen that owns 2 houses, one in the Duck Pond and the other waterfront on Newmans Lake neither one I have ever rented out. When I was Ms. Sacco’s age I was not a landed gentry then either although my income was not 5 times the average like hers is, but she is probably just passing through like 67% of Gainesville is.
    I have paid little attention to local politics other than campaigning for Sadie Darnell when she first ran for sheriff, until the GRU fiasco. I had no idea how much mismanagement we had. I can only hope that I will be joined by the other “Landed Gentry” in voting most of them out.

    • Hopefully, there will be some good people that we can get behind and vote in… But the Leftists who want to control us have managed to stack the deck pretty well… We need good candidates willing to run, and also for the citizens of this city to see what the Leftist/Democrat elitists have been doing to our city…
      I got that’s not too much to hope for …

      • Right on. The only few years of decent ideas and looking to save were the few Mayor Braddy years. Then immediate leftist waste and radical ideas with over-the-top spending for radical ideas back and forth, up and down (Poe boy). He almost equaled the destruction set by Hanrahan and her Kyoto biomass fiasco.

    • I’ll throw out another possibility- get rid of city government altogether. Because it will never change.

  • As they discuss ways to make life easier for developers, eight skillion new apartments still stand empty… but we “need” more housing…

  • If there’s any group that exhibits the characteristics of landed gentry it’s this group of city commissioners.

    Eastman is more akin to Karl Marx, (political ideology, not intelligence), and if Gainesville voters had any sense, they would expel him.

  • The people are never heard because the commission cuts them off at meetings.
    Try getting in to speak with a commissioner unless you have a briefcase full of cash.

  • “The community isn’t being heard” so says commissioner Eastman.
    You’re damn right we’re not being heard.
    Now hear this: Stop wasting taxpayer funds! Stop the funded social engineering BS! Fix the damn roads! Collect the trash! And last but not least….leave us the hell alone!!!

  • I feel like we’re living the Green Day song that goes “Wake me up when September ends….” If Saco realized she is going insane, it’s probably not her neighbor’s fault. Eastman will have a harder time next election, with voting during the general election and people like me who will tell the sorority women all about him and his deceitfulness.

    • You are so right. She was probably well on her way when she flipped off city employees and told one citizen on a live microphone that “you should be dead”.

  • “in my neighborhood, I see a property that’s about 100 feet across. And it kills me because it has exactly one small 900-square-foot house in the middle, which is the worst use of space. And every time I drive by it, it drives me insane” Insane alright. Just think, all that green space that our extra taxes are setting aside could be packed with .08 acre “cottages” while the commissioners and their minions of course will get to live on as much spacious acreage as they please.

  • Every time I read something about the Gainesville City Commission, it makes me so glad, and thankful, that I live in the county….”Landed Gentry” indeed, as if these fools don’t own their own homes? I worked hard and paid for mine and everyone else can do the same.

    • Of course, Alachua County is only slightly less radically leftist than the City of Gainesville…

      • Oh go ahead! Rain on my parade why don’tcha? LOL. That is true however, I live rural and thus avoid most of the garbage these nitwits hurl at us. Where I live you must buy I think, 10 acres or more (could be wrong but there is a minimal acreage you must have out here.) So that kind of insulates us from these morons, they’d never drive down my bumpy limestone road for one thing.

  • Can you all look into building duplexes, apartments or multi family homes somewhere on property that is currently vacant and not in the neighborhoods of single family homes? Many families have small children and grandchildren who utilize that space for a play area. Will people have to remove utility houses etc. from their properties or do any changes to make room? There are tons of apartments currently empty so why not occupy those by lowering the rent? If this happens lets start building in the northwest section of Gainesville first “NOT” the northeast section of Gainesville especially since the northeast can’t even seem to get a grocery store in some areas of the northeast section of town or other amenities beneficial to those individuals that live there. Could you really just listen to what is the will of the people who live in these communities and not to what you as one person or to you all as commisioners think or believe is best for others. There should not be one person or one group decision being made for everybody. Instead of disturbing single family homes/zoning why not utilize empty property that could be developed?

  • Eastman is one of the slimiest people around. Dishonesty oozes from him whether he is talking or not…he’s one the people we’ve all been warned about. And then we have Saco and Willitz who are both a few cards short of a full deck. This is what happens when no one votes

  • Can someone remind me of one big problem the city commission has successfully solved in a fiscally responsible way? At the moment this “housing crises” is just another item for their pile of expensive failures.

    • They try to solve imaginary problems, and, in the process, they usually end up creating real, serious problems for people (over and over again). As everyone knows, the occupancy rate for existing rental properties is far below 100 percent. There is no “problem” aside from them wanting to suck up to the developers as usual.

  • These idiots complain when homeowners show up to protect their neighborhoods from being ruined by rental properties. They have paid a pretty penny for their homes and don’t want them devalued and have the usual crime associated with rental property along with the lack of care for the surrounding area.

  • If you look it up, “landed gentry” refers to landlords who are able to live comfortably off their rental incomes (NOT regular people who own their own homes). It’s a wonder Saco was able to pass the bar exam. And didn’t she work as a clerk in the City ID office before getting elected? I don’t recall her ever working as a “housing attorney.”

    • “Work” is giving her credit for something she’s probably never done a day in her life. Her parents didn’t get a very good ROI from, or for her.

      • I’m pretty sure the rest of the family is Trump-supporting, conservative Cubans in Miami.

    • Just another way for her to show disdain for people who have worked hard and sacrificed to have a home in a neighborhood they enjoy. Using the term “landed gentry” (incorrectly as Mr. Peabody stated) is, in my opinion, a demeaning slur.

      • After reading my comment I need to make sure that it is clear that Saco used the term “landed gentry” incorrectly as pointed out by Mr. Peabody. Just want to make this clear.

  • Workers can’t afford the rents and utilities in Gainesville so you won’t hear from them at your meetings.

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