“This troubles my spirit”: Gainesville City Commission passes public camping ordinance on second reading
BY JENNIFER CABRERA
GAINESVILLE, Fla. – At their December 5 meeting, the Gainesville City Commission passed a public camping ordinance 6-1 on second reading, with Commissioner Desmon Duncan-Walker in dissent.
Ordinance is required under new state statute
The ordinance, which passed 6-0 on first reading on November 21 with Duncan-Walker absent, is required by Florida Statute 125.0231, which provides that Florida counties and municipalities may not authorize or otherwise allow any person to regularly engage in public camping or sleeping on any public property.
The ordinance modifies Article V of the City Charter (Public Rights-of-Way and Obstructions), which currently makes it illegal for any person to obstruct any right-of-way, including temporarily obstructing vehicular or pedestrian traffic; the changes add “public property” to “right-of-way” in that section of the Charter. The ordinance also adds “public camping or sleeping on any public property or right-of-way” as an illegal activity. The penalty would be a fine of $25.
The state statute provides that property owners can file civil lawsuits starting on January 1 if they notify a local government in writing that someone is sleeping on public property and the local government does not address the issue within five days.
Commissioner Reina Saco: “I think that criminal enforcement is the very… last option. Our folks are more empathetic and better-trained than to start with the arrest.”
After the ordinance was introduced for its second reading, Commissioner Reina Saco asked for clarity on whether the ordinance has criminal sanctions, and City Attorney Dan Nee said it could be enforced through civil citations or municipal ordinance violations with “criminal-type penalties. It allows for the arrest of a person if necessary, but a civil citation is generally the method used in law enforcement… in enforcing ordinances such as this.”
Saco said, “And I think that criminal enforcement is the very… last option. Our folks are more empathetic and better-trained than to start with the arrest.”
Nee said, “The idea is to keep public property and the public right-of-way free of camping and overnight sleeping.”
Mayor Harvey Ward: “I would hope that anyone with concerns about this would not stop at the City of Gainesville… but that you would speak to your legislators, because that is where the money is.”
Mayor Harvey Ward pointed out that the City has budgeted $2.05 million in the current fiscal year for homeless services and “millions more” for affordable housing. Speaking to members of the public in the audience, Ward said, “There’s a long way to go with affordable housing, and I would suggest that what many of you are here to talk about doesn’t even relate to housing so much as it relates to mental health services and addiction support services. Those are things that, frankly, are outside the budget of the City of Gainesville. I would hope that anyone with concerns about this would not stop at the City of Gainesville and stop at City Hall, but that you would speak to your legislators, because that is where the money is.”
Public comment
Ten people spoke during public comment, many of whom said they were students; all of them opposed the ordinance, saying that it criminalizes homelessness. Many speakers urged the City Commission to defy the state and refuse to pass an ordinance aligning with the statute.
Saco: “I hate that I voted for it last time. I hate that I have to vote for it today.”
After public comment, Saco said she didn’t disagree with the speakers: “I hate that I voted for it last time. I hate that I have to vote for it today.” She said the City is putting its resources toward connecting homeless people with services and added, “We can put our resources and our funding there, or we can put our funding to paying out a lot of lawyers to defend us when a business or an individual sues us because they walked by and saw someone be homeless. I think the first one’s a better use of our tax dollars.”
Saco said the ordinance does not criminalize homelessness, but “it may lead to criminal prosecution if there is a series of choices made… We are trying to get everyone who wants and can accept help off the street because no one should be sleeping on the sidewalk. No one here thinks anybody should be sleeping on the sidewalk… This [ordinance] is far from perfect. This is far from palatable, but I’d rather do this and try to shield the City and keep our resources where they actually help people than store that cash away for a lawsuit.”
Commissioner Desmon Duncan-Walker: “This troubles my spirit… This puts us back into the cycle of arrest, debt, and living on the street”
Duncan-Walker said, “From a political perspective, you know, it’s clear what the state wants to require us to do. This troubles my spirit… This puts us back into the cycle of arrest, debt, and living on the street, and while we are doing everything that we can,… we don’t have enough… All over the city, we see homelessness and its effects… I can’t leave my house without it being one of the first things I see… I’ve come to work on some weekends and literally had to step over people to get into my office – or sleeping on the steps of City Hall… The fight has to be waged at the state, it absolutely does. I’m not going to vote for this ordinance today because for me, just in my spirit, the cycle has to be broken… I did not sleep last night.”
Commissioner Bryan Eastman: “You have to govern in the world as it is, not how you want it to be.”
Commissioner Bryan Eastman thanked the public for coming to the meeting because “the folks that are really impacted by it are dealing with things that don’t allow them to come sit through a City Commission meeting and speak to a bunch of politicians about the issues that are coming before them… We still, at the end of the day, have the responsibility for our police officers to work with our co-responder team to get folks the resources and to treat people with some level of dignity… You have to govern in the world as it is, not how you want it to be. But, you know, I would like to see a lot of thought and effort put into how we’re doing this in a humane and thoughtful way… So I guess I’ll be reluctantly voting for it and trying to see how we can find a way to set up enforcement that won’t force people that are already at their lowest point to go into a lower point.”
Commissioner Casey Willits said they needed to follow state law and protect the City from lawsuits, which he said could be “an organized effort, because I think some of the people pushing this have real mal-intent in their heart. They’re not trying to fix a problem; they are trying to get a pound of retribution out of something they just don’t like.”
Commissioner Casey Willits: City’s goal is “to make sure that the first person that our homeless neighbors experience is not someone with a badge and a gun.”
Willits said the City’s homeless outreach efforts are “us using discretion to make sure that the first person that our homeless neighbors experience is not someone with a badge and a gun… I’m a very, very hesitant yes on this.” He asked the City Manager to bring data regularly to the Commission about how many people are fined.
First motion
Willits made a motion to adopt the ordinance on second reading.
Commissioner Ed Book: “The manner in which we interact and treat people is probably the most important aspect of what we do, even when we may have to take sometimes adverse actions.”
Commissioner Ed Book said, “The first thing that we do currently is we reach out. I don’t know that probably most of the audience knows this, but we use our GRACE outreach team to do that first… in an effort to try and provide support services and resources that will get people on their feet,… whether it’s addiction help, whether it’s counseling, whether it’s mental health resources, whether it’s into a home for those – there are some who don’t take that option, but we have also provided monies to provide additional housing and bed space so that we try and allow the support services to work. Those are the first lines of things that we do… The manner in which we interact and treat people is probably the most important aspect of what we do, even when we may have to take sometimes adverse actions.”
Ward: “You’re gonna go through about eight different levels of ‘Would you please move? Can we help you?’ before a citation gets issued.”
Ward said the Gainesville Police Department could include reporting about the ordinance in their quarterly report, but he said he expects few violations because “the first thing that’s going to happen is, somebody’s gonna say, ‘Hey, would you please move now?’ Then they’ll call the City to say, ‘Hey, would you move these folks?’ And when we send somebody out, the first thing we’re gonna do is send out a team to try to make a connection to folks and to try to get them some help. You’re gonna go through about eight different levels of ‘Would you please move? Can we help you?’ before a citation gets issued. I don’t think any officer wants to spend half their shift issuing a citation, because that’s what that ends up being. So I don’t anticipate there being a large number of those.”
Ward said the word “homelessness” frustrates him because “what we’re actually talking about, if we’re being honest, is chronic homelessness,… something far deeper that requires far more help from the community and far more responsibility from the community, and I hope everyone who is involved today will be involved in that larger conversation… What we’re doing today is a mechanical piece that allows us to be in compliance with a state statute… [The] law is agnostic to how whether we comply with it or whether we just get sued out of existence. We’re not going to get sued out of existence because we’re going to implement the mechanics that allow us to be in compliance.”
The motion passed 6-1, with Duncan-Walker in dissent.
Second motion
Willits made a second motion to ask the City Manager to provide quarterly data on any fines or actions pursuant to the ordinance, and Duncan-Walker seconded the motion. The motion passed unanimously.
I in fact think this state law will do more to help the homeless than the city has done in the 10 years I’ve been here. It forces the city and county to actually do something instead of just endless talk about the problem and fund studies and do little to nothing nonprofits. How many hotels is the county up to now 3 without a single room available. Eventually you have to quit gentle parenting the chronic homeless and address the issue. If they are in such a bad way mentally, or have such a bad addiction they should be declared legally incompetent made a ward of the court and appointed a social worker and mandatory treatment until they can manage their own affairs again. It worked for Brittany Spears but money was involved so there was an incentive to get her clean so I’m sure the city doesn’t want to if they can’t bill the gru transfer for it.
As the backward mayor of Gainesville. It is very important for our citizens to understand that what is important to myself and my fellow commissioners are your votes and that is it. What is important to us? Are the homeless the fact that you citizens are working contributors to society and pay your taxes and liveYour lives in law abiding manners means nothing to us. Basically, we need you to continue to work, pay your elevated property taxes and you’re high GRU bill ince we’ve ran that in debt. Don’t forget every few years, you need to continue to vote for us so that we may continue to sit on our thrones with our hands in your pockets.
Ward has always been a hypocrite and fat liar.
One hopes for a result as you describe it. This will cost money, not save it, but it’s a national problem created by turning our mentally unfit out on the streets and the increase in drug use.
The evil spirits on the dais are evil. They’re partially to blame but want to put all the responsibility on residents, not transient residents – the real taxpaying residents of Gainesville. No matter how they want to spin this, they’re to blame for the increased homeless population. They invited them, they’ve continuously increased assessments, taxes, utilities, and other charges that have put strains on people and their families. They want to help? Let them take someone in. House them in one of the little house lots they’ve approved. Until they’ve done that, they can kiss my ass and go where they belong – to Hell.
Until then, if they promote homeless encampments – lock ’em up.
“Commissioner Desmon Duncan-Walker: “This troubles my spirit…”
You a$$holes have done absolutely nothing over the years to help the homeless. All y’all do is fund third party programs and yell thru your megaphone about how much you supposedly care. I’m so tired of yalls hypocritical bullsh!t. Now you idiots want to b!tch and blame the state. City and Alachua county politicians are straight up parasites. Desmon’s spirit is absolutely not the Holy Spirit.
Saco should be arrested for making downtown look like it’s on the same level, aesthetically, as the trailer park in Hialeah (or somewhere close to there) where she grew up. The rainbow crosswalks need some touching up, to put it mildly. The streatery looks completely out of place, is unused 99% of the time, and disrupts the normal feng shui/energy of downtown. Nobody wants it except for a few selfish over-the-hill burnout drunks at Loosey’s whose brains are too pickled to think rationally. The ghastly-looking parking garage is about as well maintained as the average unit in Cedar Ridge/Holly Heights. The filthy, smelly elevators don’t work at all and the bathrooms have ‘Permanently Closed’ signs. The only thing missing is bags of rotting trash piled everywhere and swarms of flies.
Now, we have doofy-looking guys dressed in all yellow, pushing around bright yellow carts full of cleaning supplies instead of just having a normal downtown that doesn’t require a hospital-like staff to clean up after all the insane people we invited here.
The hypocrisy of GNV’s Democrat politicians (which is all of them) gets harder and harder to swallow. They invite the problem, do nothing about it, don’t enforce existing laws and reject state law because they don’t agree with it. “Move along”? Really? Just how does that clean up the overwhelming problem they support? Has a single one of these crybaby politicians actually done anything on a personal basis to help solve this Democrat caused problem?
The vagrants can move in with those students, walker, & Saco if they are so concerned about the bums.
I wish I could have been at the meeting to tell the commission on how a vagrant slept on my front porch on a property near UF and then kicked the door in on a $1000 door and went inside the building and caused thousands $ in damages..or the other times I had to clean up trash & litter or feces on my private property from them…
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Bum pulled a mattress from somewhere and a bunch of crap too and set up shop on the porch…
he had plenty of $ to buy drugs , weed, and a half dozen vape pens.
The cops arrested him, & I had to clean up and repair the building…
they dropped the charges and I never got restitution…
These people have friends, family, churches, and don’t forget about personal responsibility…
If your friends give up on you, if your family gives up on you, if the church gives up on you…than you’re just as asshole!
We are funding Grace, we got the jail, we got churches, we got individuals, we got NGO’s…I should never have to see a panhandler or a bum squatting on the side walk, bus stop, right of way, a park, or my front porch.
They are responsible for their predicament.
They should have to move on immediately or be subject to arrest…no 5 day BS.
Saco’s still with the face diaper?
She looks like the 🐽😷 porker on the ACSB.
It’s left brained mental illness.
What did she do before the c19 big lie?
Never waste a good crisis.
It’s the commie flag.
The face masks do nothing but scare people and cover up their ugly.
Sacos mask is stunting her brain oxygen level, obviously.
Only 20 years ago, someone like her would never have been elected to public office. They would be shunned and laughed at (hysterically) during the campaign phase.
There are a few more in local government who fit this profile as well.
Maybe the political correction we are seeing in this country will fix this problem.
Why aren’t their BRAINS ever “troubled”?
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This is the drivel of a fool:
“From a political perspective, you know, it’s clear what the state wants to require us to do. This troubles my spirit… This puts us back into the cycle of arrest, debt, and living on the street, and while we are doing everything that we can,… we don’t have enough… All over the city, we see homelessness and its effects… I can’t leave my house without it being one of the first things I see… I’ve come to work on some weekends and literally had to step over people to get into my office – or sleeping on the steps of City Hall… The fight has to be waged at the state, it absolutely does. I’m not going to vote for this ordinance today because for me, just in my spirit, the cycle has to be broken… I did not sleep last night.”
Duncan Walker is a liar. There are no homeless at City Hall, the private gestapo keeps them away and across the street at the County buildings.
As far as the 10 opposing, most of whom were students; other than giving a dollar or two of their parents’ money to assist with the homeless, they do little to nothing of benefit to the community themselves. They’re the same group of whiners who think it’s the government’s & parents’ responsibility to forgive their loans and provide everything so they can post on Tik Tok or some other social medium.
Yeah…wait until they get a job, pay a mortgage, & pay property taxes and then they will know the errors of their lefty liberal way…
Doubtful. Their role models are the Pelosis, Harrises, Wards, Poes, Alfords, and Prizzias of the world.
They’ve never had real jobs and are society’s suckerfish.
Right, but thankfully we now have a model of hard work, self sacrifice, high character, and personal achievement as president to provide guidance for our young.
Aren’t we all so proud?
1 for 4 is better than 0fer…
Still nothing to shout from the rooftops but better than the alternative.
These liberals are stuck in their usual state of ‘La La Land’. They really think that a civil citation is going to fix our homeless criminal problems?
All horse-crap comments to build the facade that they really care. Yeah, they care alright, about their fat selves and feeding their pie hole.
“$2.05 million for homeless…” (bums) and “millions more for affordable housing.” What a huge waste and super increases on OUR property taxes! Look at your tax bill. Absurd! The highest anyone could imagine. Resign your offices or you’ll be thrown out! We don’t need this kind of giveaway direction and ignorant leadership. Get out! Leave for Canada with other radicals!
The students that spoke against it are virtue signaling idiots. No life experience. They will finish school and move away while permanent residents have to live with the homeless problems on our door steps and have to deal with their violence. Make mental institutions great again.
If our society says you can’t drink a beer until 21, perhaps it’s time to raise the voting age.
That would neuter most of this nonsense locally.
“Troubles her spirit?” Open your yard to them, then.
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